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No Chance for Withdrawal?

January 12, 2008 13:08 by matthewcain

So, Bush, with the initial support of Hillary and Edwards, has destabilized the Middle East.  Now he's trying to keep it destabilized with a long-term agreement with the Iraqi government with "diplomatic, economic and security components".  Boiled down, this means the United States will continue to secure its access to cheap oil with an aggravating military presence in the region.  Obama's policies, however, don't include long-term dependence on Iraqi or Middle Eastern oil.  So, Bush may plan to keep troops there, but he's not seeing the big picture of long-term freedom from our oil addiction. 

Let's say Bush manages to secure the presence of troops in Iraq for the foreseeable future.  What does this mean for 2008?  What does this mean for Obama?  The pragmatic voter may push aside the issue of Iraq and withdrawal.  Hillary's campaign, however, is not pragmatic.  Remember when you buy a mutual fund: “Past performance is no indicator of future results.” However, let’s be optimistic and take Hillary’s performance (experience) as an indicator of what will happen.  With her record of initially supporting the war and her hawkish rhetoric toward Iran, we should project a long-term presence in Iraq with or without new Bush policies.  In fact, what about Hillary’s record and rhetoric indicates that she won’t use Iraq as a staging point for attacking Iran or Syria? 

I want to know why the press isn’t bringing up the 800,000 Rwandans killed in preventable genocide.  Pauline Park has an excellent post on the issue of Rwanda related to Hillary’s claimed role in Bill’s presidency (here).  So, Hillary was willing to use force to secure our interests in Iraq but not willing to come to the aid of Africans.  I just wonder what other dark spots there are in her “experience”.


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January 16. 2008 21:08

Kurt

Assertion 1: American presence is a necessarily destabilizing force. Long term American presence in the Japan proved to be a stabilizing presence. America's presence in the Korean peninsula has stabilized the region for over 50 years. The long term agreement to set up bases in Germany following WWII has proven to be a very good force for promoting regional stability. The premise that American presence in a foreign country is a destabilizing force is weak foundation for the basis of the argument.

Assertion 2: America's presence in the middle east is to secure cheap oil. Oil anything but cheap. In constant dollar terms the cost of oil is the highest it has ever been. Even during the height of the 70's oil crisis. A group of willing nations acted in Iraq because the UN was unwilling to act. In spite of numerous warnings by the world government body, Iraq did not comply to the world's demands. Other nations intervened because the world government abdicated its responsibility. The second assertion is based of a false conclusion of causality.

It is the entire world that is needing (addicted) to oil. If the left wants freedom from oil then then should embrace nuclear power. France has successfully and safely used nuclear electric generation for decades. In the real world, real solutions are needed.

Should Obama become President and immediately withdraw troops the result will trigger one of several events: A Vietnam styled purging of ethnic groups by those who have battled the free forces. An incursion by Iran into Iraq to mop up what what started in the 80's and never finished. A wholesales slaughter of the Kurds. Pulling out is not going to usher in a era of peace. There is a paradox at play; our presence is one of the few chances for peace to happen in the middle east. So why don't we just give peace a chance.

Kurt

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